Did BFGoodrich just deliver a new Super 200 benchmark? | Tire Test

The year was 2014 and a revolution had just occurred in SCCA’s most popular autocross category. Expensive and fragile R-comps were out–we’re looking at you, Hoosier–and 200tw street tires were in. So substantial was this change, the category was renamed from Stock to Street.

Street tires had already been highly successful in the Street Touring category for over a decade, …

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Very nice.  Seeing a lot of activity from BFG these days.  Awesome to see it.  Looks like the "g-Force" family of products are back in pretty big way.

Welcome back, BFG.

Back in 2002 or so, we ran their SEMA car in Street Touring. 

Let me find a pic. 

Here’s the car at the 2001 SEMA Show.

And here we are at Solo Nats with Per behind the wheel. 

Designed, engineered, and made in America. As mentioned within what also made Rival unique within the category at its inception were sizes for American muscle that the Asian brands had ltd use for in their local markets. 

BFG is a sponsor for July Track Night in America events and they were giving away a free set of tires to one lucky attendee.  

In reply to ClearWaterMS :

Dang, that’s a cool prize. (205/50R15 for me, please.)

ClearWaterMS said:

BFG is a sponsor for July Track Night in America events and they were giving away a free set of tires to one lucky attendee.  

Glad to hear it's a full set and not just a single tire. Could you imagine? 

Is the Rival S 1.5 the new hotness for 2025? 

Kidding. 

Ordered a set of Phenom T/As for my TT - seem like a good tire for daily driving and occasionally hitting a casual event. 

Great comp. The Rival S 1.5 was one of my favorite tires for solo on a FWD car in the heat. 

Mousse_Upset said:

Is the Rival S 1.5 the new hotness for 2025? 

Kidding. 

Watch for Tire Rack's yearly track test result which also includes Rival S 1.5 -- it does very well there, too. 
 

Of note also is the test set of Rival S were two year old build dates.  So maybe there's some "fine wine cellaring" going on?  
 

TBH, the small ECF vs P1 margin suggests that the P1 underperformed In this scenario.

Im going to play around some more with the P1 in very hot conditions to see if my hunch is correct. I have two sets at various tread depth. 

Any wear data? This is an important detail for an endurance 200. Thanks.

"fragile and expensive Hoosiers..."

The 200 series tires may be more durable, but they cost about the same as Hoosiers these days.

jkstill said:

"fragile and expensive Hoosiers..."

The 200 series tires may be more durable, but they cost about the same as Hoosiers these days.

Using Tire Rack pricing for our test size (245/40-17):

$445 - Hoosier A7/R7

$298 - Bridgestone RE71RS

$296 - Yokohama A052

$276 - Vitour P1

$274 - BFG Rival+

$253 - Nankang CRS

$250 - BFG Rival S 1.5

So the Hoosiers are between 50% and 80% more expensive than the Super 200's.

What size are you looking at where they are the same?

rgerstmar said:

Any wear data? This is an important detail for an endurance 200. Thanks.

Tire Rack is now doing some wear testing in their most recent track and autocross tests (2025 Test 4).  Have a look.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests

Interested in those additional Vitour tests. Always thought they did well with low tread and hot temps until I got a sticker set in the cold!

Also keep hearing rumours about a new RE71-thing... any hints? 

A buddy of mine had a set of P1s heat cycle out. 18 months old, ran on a light RWD/mid-engine car. Is this expected or a fluke? 

nakkinator said:

Also keep hearing rumours about a new RE71-thing... any hints? 

No comment 

But I was shown some cool pics by a BS employee of a tire that looked like a sibling of the RE71RS.  Or maybe I was dreaming....RZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Mousse_Upset said:

A buddy of mine had a set of P1s heat cycle out. 18 months old, ran on a light RWD/mid-engine car. Is this expected or a fluke? 

Just did the final data point for our long-term test today.  P1's are now worn down to 1-2/32 across the face with many, many cycles.  Outer half is a slick.   Also have a set of low-time P1.  No difference in single lap pace.  Nine months on the clock.

But cycling out depends a lot on how deep the cycles are, plus how the tires are stored in between.  My cycles are mild, and the tires are stored off the car in a climate controlled shop.

In reply to Mousse_Upset :

These are track tires not street tires. 18 months?....That's a long time for a track tire. If you want to be competitive, new tires every year at minimum....

In reply to Andy Hollis :

Thanks, makes sense. Tire storage is probably not his strength. Use was autocross, and I'm assuming they were exposed to near freezing temps in his garage. Could make a big difference.

Oddly enough, I found Rivals and A052s kind of last forever if stored properly. Maybe that's just my luck.